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kathy

Do you believe there was no election fraude? I must admit to supporting Obrador in his pursuit of justice after watching the voter fraude in the US elections (yes, both) and the installtion of a president who was never elected.

Have you seen any of the DVD's by Luis Mandoki? He was supposedly filming a documentary on Obrador and has footage of blatand fraud.

kathy

Here is a link to his last capitulo (19)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4189613974210850594

alisa

i do believe that there was election fraud. i believe that every election for a country's leader, everywhere in the world, suffers fraud at some level. that's why i'm glad such a number of polls are being challenged or contested, and hence recounted. and if a huge discrepancy had been found in those polls, i would fully support a national recount. however, if the fraud were committed on that greater scale, it would have been the responsibility of all the party representatives and international overseers to challenge more polls, and that did not happen.

i support the idea of holding out for transparency that lopez obrador is proclaiming. i agree that it's important to hold the government and its institutions accountable for as honest as possible a selection of the new national leader. what i don't support is a tendency to push or slyly ignore the limits of law in order to resist incumbent authority. lopez obrador claims to plead for a working democracy, and that, i think, would entail his support of the legal institutions set up by that democracy. his cause is valid. his methods of working toward it can be contradictory. if he wants to take action over the authority of the governmental branches with impunity, like he's done in the past, okay. but on a presidential level, that's sounds more like revolution to me, not working within an existing democracy. i know, that also sounds a little like president bush. and the point is, i think it's wrong.

lopez obrador moves the masses well, but i can't see that he is doing it by clearly explaining all the facts and generally promoting a party mindset of logical thinking. this is not to say that there aren't a considerable number of prdistas who are fair, logical people. nor is it to say that calderon is any better in this matter. public politics always works better when the politician gets the crowd emotionally worked up.

the truth is that i feel i'm in over my head when thinking and talking about the matter, because i understand and concede reason to both sides of the situation. i agree with obrador when he says that the most grave problem mexico faces is that of poverty. i agree that it's a root of so many other problems, and desperately needs viable solutions. what i'm still wondering is how obrador plans to provide those solutions in a way that is, like he says, for the good of everyone. providing governmental subsidies without providing a plan for a better educational infrastructure that will keep poverty levels reduced in the long term sounds foolish and like a recipe for failure to me.

i think i'll stop there. it was a good deal more soapboxing than i intended! so to answer the questions clearly, i'd say that yes, i believe there was fraud. and no, i haven't yet seen the mandoki documentaries. :) thank you, kathy, for getting me thinking!

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